Was It the Chocolate Pudding: A Story for Little Kids About Divorce (Interview With the Author)

Was It the Chocolate Pudding?

Welcome to part two of our review of Was It the Chocolate Pudding?: A Story for Little Kids about Divorce written by Sandra Levins.  In this installment, we sit down with the author to ask various questions about divorce and helping children with divorce. Make sure to check out yesterday’s installment for our review of the book.

An Interview With the Author

In writing this review, I knew I wanted to reach out to the author to get some additional insight into her thought process behind the book. I was very excited when Sandra Levins agreed to an interview. The following are my questions, and her answers, about the book, children of divorce and other issues. I hope you enjoy reading them as much I did.

1. What inspired you to write Was It The Chocolate Pudding?

When I met my husband he was a single dad with two young boys. Initially I wrote this story about their life together and called it, “My Dad, My Brother and Me”. I illustrated the little book with computer graphics and pictures of his boys. Of course, since they were the stars, they loved it! But when I tried to find actual books about little kids with divorce in their family, I learned that few were available. I decided to try to get published and my story morphed into “Was It the Chocolate Pudding? A Story for Little Kids about Divorce”.

2. I have to ask, where did you get the idea for the chocolate pudding incident?

In “Was It the Chocolate Pudding?” the kids make a mess by smearing chocolate pudding on each other and on the wall while Mom is outside and Dad is asleep. My husband’s boys actually had a very similar chocolate pudding incident. It was a favorite tale of their little family, and I decided to use it as a springboard for my message of “divorce is not the child’s fault.”

3. What were you hoping would come out of the book?

The message of “Was It the Chocolate Pudding?” is about both parents coming together for the good of the children. My hope is that, when parents read this story to their little ones, they will realize that their children are in the middle with no choice in the matter.

Parents need to help ease the hurt, pain and confusion their children experience as the result of the divorce in their family.

4. What do you hope kids take away from the book?

I want children know that grown-up problems are grown-up problems and that children are not to blame. It’s not their fault! That message needs to be spoken and reiterated no matter what the age of the child.

5. What has the response been to your book? Specifically, how has it been received, first by children whose parents have been divorced, and secondly by parents?

Parents have told me that “Chocolate Pudding” is their child’s favorite book; that they ask for it over and over. I believe that children identify with the boys in the story. They see the children in the story doing things with Mom and doing things with Dad; things that they do also like building blanket tents in the living room, going to the library, reading books and singing songs together. Then they hear the words, “It isn’t MY fault!” Adults have said to me, “Where was this book when I was a kid?”

Parents and counselors alike appreciate this book because it helps to open the dialog with their little ones. It gives parents the opportunity to reiterate that divorce is never the child’s fault.

6. Can you tell us a little about your own experiences and how that factored into writing this book?

As I mentioned earlier my husband was a single dad with two young boys when I met him. According to the 2000 US census report, three million single dads have physical custody of their children. So while sometimes people are surprised that in my book Mom is the one who moves away, I wanted to show that at times that is the case, and that many fathers are totally capable single parents.

Secondly, my own son was 14 when his father and I divorced. Even at that age, he blamed himself, and that came as a surprise to me. It had never occurred to me that my children would wrongfully assume that blame. Our divorce certainly was NOT their fault. No divorce is the child’s fault!

7. Why do you think so many kids blame themselves when their parents divorce?

By nature children are self-centered individuals. Their world truly revolves around them! They don’t have the ability to see the bigger picture. So, when something like this happens, they may assume it is because of something they did.

8. Part of the issue in this book seems to arise because of how/when the parents chose to tell the kids what was going on. What advice would you give to parents about how to break this news to their kids?

Jane Annunziata, Psy.D, who wrote the Note to Parents in the back of the book, states that whenever possible both parents should sit down and talk to the children in simple and honest terms. Start out in small doses – “We have a lot of grown-up problems, and we can’t seem to fix them by living together in the same house.” In the beginning talk about a parental separation, rather than divorce, and use language that children can understand. Don’t drag the children into the adult reasons for the separation, but continually reassure them that they will always have a mom and dad who love them.

9. What advice would you give to a “third party” who is trying to help a child of divorce adjust and heal?

Bibliotherapy is a wonderful tool! Read books like “Was It the Chocolate Pudding?” and begin a dialog. Let the child know he or she is safe with you and ask if they have any questions or specific worries. They may be confused, and they may wonder what is going to happen to them. They may be angry with one or both parents. Children often worry that if they feel close to one parent, they are being disloyal to the other. Encourage children to talk about their feelings and reassure them that it is okay to express those feelings.

10. One of my favorite things about your book is the explanations of “grown-up words for” different things. How much do you think a lack of understanding of what is really going on plays into the difficulty that children have in adjusting to divorce?

I think it is a huge problem! How many 4-year-olds understand the word “divorce” or “custody”? It’s like an adult with a medical problem – we search the internet, read all we can, look at diagrams, and learn the words and terminology pertaining to that problem. Only then do we begin to understand what the doctors are talking about. I had never heard the term “ meniscus” until my husband injured his knee!

11. At Hope 4 Hurting Kids, part of our goal is to get the local church to step up and minister to children of divorce. What advice or words of wisdom would you offer to church leaders about why and how they should serve the children of divorce?

I think it is vital that all children feel safe, loved and accepted in a house of worship. It might be helpful for a small group of kids with divorce in their families to get together to discuss topics important to them, as long as the adult facilitator is truly supportive and not judgmental (like in the case of a child expressing anger toward a parent). The last thing these children need is to be scolded for feelings that they are trying to sort out!

In addition, these children should be included in all children’s ministry programs whenever possible. It seems like a small thing, but church school leaders and organizers need to understand that children with divorce in their family may not be able to participate in weekly events through no fault of their own. When other children get a prize of some sort for perfect attendance, the child who shuttles between parents feels like he or she is being punished for something beyond his or her control.

12. If you could say one thing to a child whose parents are currently getting divorced, what would it be?

Divorce is a grown-up problem! It is absolutely NOT your fault!

13. I understand you’ve written another book to help kids adjust to living in a blended family. Can you tell us a little about that book?

Also published by the American Psychological Association’s Magination Press, “Do You Sing Twinkle? A Story about Remarriage and New Family” is a sequel to “Was It the Chocolate Pudding?” It had been a while since the divorce in their family, and the Chocolate Pudding boys had adjusted to the situation. However, everything changes when Mom gets remarried, has stepdaughters and moves out of town! At bedtime Little Buddy worries that Mom is singing Twinkle to those girls. “She shouldn’t sing Twinkle to anybody but my brother and me!” This story addresses many feelings and questions that children may have while adjusting to remarriage and a blended family after their parents’ divorce. The book offers suggestions on ways for parents to stay connected with their children and talk about common but difficult emotions that can come with divorce, remarriage, or blended families.

My third title “Eli’s Lie-O-Meter, A Story about Telling the Truth” is about honesty. Visit my website www.sandralevins.com for more information.

For more resources and information on divorce, family disruption and modern families please visit our Hope 4 Hurting Kids Divorce and Modern Family Help Center.

This article is updated and adapted from an article originally published on Divorce Ministry 4 Kids on August 29, 2012.

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Written by Wayne Stocks

Wayne is the founder and executive director of Hope 4 Hurting Kids. He is a happily married father of four kids with a passion for helping young people who are going through rough times. In addition to Hope 4 Hurting Kids, Wayne previously started I Am A Child of Divorce and Divorce Ministry 4 Kids to help kids who are dealing with the disruption of their parents’ relationship. These are now part of Hope 4 Hurting Kids. Wayne speaks frequently at conferences and churches on issues related to helping kids learn to deal with difficult emotions and life in modern families.

Wayne lives with his wife, three youngest kids, three dogs and an insane collection of his kids’ other pets outside of Columbus, Ohio. In addition to his work with Hope 4 Hurting Kids, Wayne is a partner in a local consulting firm, an avid reader, coaches his son’s soccer team and is a proud supporter of Leicester City Football Club (and yes, for those in know, his affinity for the club does predate the 2016 championship).

You can reach Wayne at wayne@hope4hurtingkids.com.